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OpenAI reportedly claims it has evidence China’s DeepSeek ‘used its model’ to train AI chatbot – business live | Business


OpenAI reportedly claims DeepSeek ‘distilled’ data for AI training

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OpenAI has claimed that it has evidence that Chinese competitor DeepSeek used the American company’s AI model to train its rival chatbot, according to Bloomberg News.

The release of DeepSeek’s open source R1 model has roiled global financial markets after the Chinese company appeared to have achieved comparable results to rivals who used far greater money and computing resources.

The claims prompted investors to question the underpinnings of the US stock market boom, which has been predicated on the idea that AI “hyperscalers” will need huge amounts of computing power to train AI models. The share price of chip company Nvidia recorded the biggest one-day decline in value in stock market history on Monday, before recovering some of its losses on Tuesday.

Global share prices steadied on Wednesday. Japan’s Topix index rose by 0.7%, while Australia’s ASX rose by 2.9%. The FTSE 100 was roughly flat at the opening bell.

AI companies and investors have been scrambling to understand the implications of DeepSeek’s rapid rise. OpenAI and its major backer, Microsoft, have been investigating whether DeepSeek obtained data in an unauthorised manner, after observing some individuals exporting large amounts of data from OpenAI’s products, Bloomberg reported.

The Financial Times reported that OpenAI, led by Sam Altman, said it had seen some evidence of “distillation”, which it suspects to be from DeepSeek. That would violate OpenAI’s terms of service.

OpenAI has itself faced heavy criticism for its own approach to others’ intellectual property. The company is facing early hearings in a case led by the New York Times in which media companies claim the company used their data without permission.

Nevertheless, the claims could open up a new front in the technological struggles between the US and China.

Venture capitalist David Sacks was appointed by US president Donald Trump as AI and cryptocurrency “tsar”. He said on Tuesday night that there was evidence of “distillation”, when one AI model asks repeated questions of another to train itself on how to respond.

Sacks told Fox News:

There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled knowledge out of OpenAI models, and I don’t think OpenAI is very happy about this.

I think one of the things you’re going to see over the next few months is our leading AI companies taking steps to try to prevent distillation.

The agenda

  • 2:15pm GMT: Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey at Treasury select committee

  • 2:45pm GMT: Bank of Canada interest rate decision

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Key events

Employees working on the final assembly of ASML’s semiconductor lithography tool with its panels removed, in Veldhoven, Netherlands, in 2019. Photograph: Bart van Overbeeke Fotografie/AS/Reuters

One of the key drivers of the strong European tech performance today has been Dutch chip equipment maker ASML.

Its share price is up 11% after it reported €7bn (£5.9bn) in new bookings during the last three months of 2024, far above expectations.

ASML makes the advanced lithography machines that are used to draw transistors onto semiconducting material at the nanometre scale. It is the only company capable of making equipment to manufacture of the world’s most advanced chips, including those with four-nanometre transistors made by Taiwan’s TSMC for Nvidia – the key producer of chips used to train artificial intelligence models.

The strength of ASML’s order book could help to reassure investors that AI-linked companies could still make them money.

Th company said that its 2024 total sales reached €28.3bn, making it a net profit of €7.6bn. It expects sales to grow to between €30bn and €35bn in 2025.

Christophe Fouquet, ASML’s chief executive, said:

The growth in artificial intelligence is the key driver for growth in our industry. It has created a shift in the market dynamics that is not benefiting all of our customers equally, which creates both opportunities and risks as reflected in our 2025 revenue range.

Europe’s Stoxx 600 index has gained 0.4%. That is enough to push it to another record high.

The index has been helped by a rebound in its tech components after the volatility caused by China’s DeepSeek. The Stoxx tech sub-index has gained 4.2% on Wednesday.

Europe’s Stoxx 600 index has risen to a new record high. Photograph: Refinitiv

FTSE 250 manufacturer Dowlais to leave London listing in £1.2bn US takeover

Liam Butterworth is chief executive of FTSE 250 parts manufacturer Dowlais. Photograph: Bloomberg/Getty Images

FTSE 250 car parts maker Dowlais has agreed a £1.2bn takeover by US rival American Axle & Manufacturing (AAM), in the latest example of an American company snapping up a British rival.

Dowlais would leave the London Stock Exchange after the takeover, while chief executive Liam Butterworth would leave after the deal completes.

The companies on Wednesday said they had reached agreement on a cash and shares deal that would allow them to survive the transition from petrol and diesel to electric cars.

Dowlais was formed in 2023 from the car parts business of GKN, the engineering company that traces its heritage back to the start of Britain’s industrial revolution, although GKN had already moved all of its manufacturing abroad. However, the company has struggled since floating on the stock market in April 2023, with its share price having halved from above £1.20 at its debut to less than 50p in November last year.

Dowlais’s share price rose by 8.6% on Wednesday morning as high as 76p, its highest since May 2024.

David Dauch, AAM’s chief executive, will lead the combined company if the deal goes through.

The companies said the combination would create “an increasingly propulsion-agnostic portfolio of products across a broader range of automotive segments supporting internal combustion engine, hybrid and electric powertrains”.

South West Water owner Pennon’s share price hits lowest in 13 years

A worker at the South West Water Hillhead Reservoir site in May 2024 in Brixham, England. The area was affected by an outbreak of cryptosporidosis in May 2024. Photograph: Hugh Hastings/Getty Images

South West Water owner Pennon Group has fallen to its lowest level in 13 years after saying it would raise £490m to carry out the increased investment required by the regulator.

Pennon’s share price fell by as much as 7.8% on Wednesday morning after it announced the rights issue. It was the biggest faller on the FTSE 250 index of mid-sized companies in early trading, before recovering some of its losses.

Pennon and United Utilities, two of England’s privatised water monopolies, both also said they will increase dividend payments to investors in line with inflation, as they prepare to raise bills.

The companies said they had accepted regulator Ofwat’s final determination of what bills they may charge – removing the possibility of an appeal to try to argue that bills should be higher. The decisions mean the companies will go ahead with bills increases of 23% for South West Water and 32% for United Utilities.

The share price of United Utilities, a member of the FTSE 100 that provides water in north west England, dropped by 0.6%.

Neither Pennon nor United Utilities are under the same financial pressure of struggling counterparts such as Southern Water or particularly Thames Water, which is trying to raise billions of pounds of new debt and then equity. Other water companies are deciding whether to appeal in the hope of charging customers more – a controversial prospect given the widespread outrage over the extent of sewage released into Britain’s rivers and seas.

It’s a mixed opening for Europe’s stock markets. The FTSE 100 has dropped by a single point, but other indices have gained on Wednesday morning.

Here are the opening snaps from Reuters:

  • EUROPE’S STOXX 600 UP 0.1%

  • FRANCE’S CAC 40 DOWN 0.6%; SPAIN’S IBEX UP 0.6%

  • EURO STOXX INDEX FLAT; EURO ZONE BLUE CHIPS DOWN 0.2%

  • GERMANY’S DAX UP 0.4%

WH Smith reports falling UK high street sales as it prepares for sale

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A WH Smith branch next to Guys hospital in South London. Photograph: Jill Mead/The Guardian

WH Smith has reported falling sales in its UK high street stores, just days after its parent company confirmed it is seeking a buyer for its legacy retail business.

Like-for-like sales in the retailer’s UK high street division – where it sells newspapers, books, stationery, cards and gifts – fell by 3% in the 21 weeks to 25 January, compared with a year earlier, although it said this was in line with expectations. It said it exited the Christmas trading period “with a clean stock position” and added it was on track to deliver full year cost savings of £11m.

It came as WH Smith reported 7% higher revenue in its more successful travel arm, and rising revenue in its North American division. The company’s share price rose by 5.7% in early trading on Wednesday morning, making it the second-biggest riser on the FTSE 250 index of mid-sized companies.

WH Smith’s eponymous parent company’s decision to put out a “for sale” sign for its 500 UK high street stores could see the name disappear from British town centres but potentially live on in train stations, airports and hospitals across 32 countries. The intended sale of the high street stores has created uncertainty for 5,000 staff. The move would allow the company to focus on its more successful travel arm which accounted for three-quarters of the group’s revenue in the year to the end of August. The company said it was driving sales at its travel division stores by stocking more travel essentials including new food and health and beauty ranges.

Carl Cowling, WH Smith’s chief executive said:

The group is in a strong position, and while there is some economic uncertainty, we are confident of another year of good growth in 2025.

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OpenAI reportedly claims DeepSeek ‘distilled’ data for AI training

Good morning, and welcome to our live, rolling coverage of business, economics and financial markets.

OpenAI has claimed that it has evidence that Chinese competitor DeepSeek used the American company’s AI model to train its rival chatbot, according to Bloomberg News.

The release of DeepSeek’s open source R1 model has roiled global financial markets after the Chinese company appeared to have achieved comparable results to rivals who used far greater money and computing resources.

The claims prompted investors to question the underpinnings of the US stock market boom, which has been predicated on the idea that AI “hyperscalers” will need huge amounts of computing power to train AI models. The share price of chip company Nvidia recorded the biggest one-day decline in value in stock market history on Monday, before recovering some of its losses on Tuesday.

Global share prices steadied on Wednesday. Japan’s Topix index rose by 0.7%, while Australia’s ASX rose by 2.9%. The FTSE 100 was roughly flat at the opening bell.

AI companies and investors have been scrambling to understand the implications of DeepSeek’s rapid rise. OpenAI and its major backer, Microsoft, have been investigating whether DeepSeek obtained data in an unauthorised manner, after observing some individuals exporting large amounts of data from OpenAI’s products, Bloomberg reported.

The Financial Times reported that OpenAI, led by Sam Altman, said it had seen some evidence of “distillation”, which it suspects to be from DeepSeek. That would violate OpenAI’s terms of service.

OpenAI has itself faced heavy criticism for its own approach to others’ intellectual property. The company is facing early hearings in a case led by the New York Times in which media companies claim the company used their data without permission.

Nevertheless, the claims could open up a new front in the technological struggles between the US and China.

Venture capitalist David Sacks was appointed by US president Donald Trump as AI and cryptocurrency “tsar”. He said on Tuesday night that there was evidence of “distillation”, when one AI model asks repeated questions of another to train itself on how to respond.

Sacks told Fox News:

There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled knowledge out of OpenAI models, and I don’t think OpenAI is very happy about this.

I think one of the things you’re going to see over the next few months is our leading AI companies taking steps to try to prevent distillation.

The agenda

  • 2:15pm GMT: Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey at Treasury select committee

  • 2:45pm GMT: Bank of Canada interest rate decision

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